president obama wilted whenever -- >> greta: but they plameed jim lehrer. >> jim lehrer did exactly what he said it was -- he wassing did to do. he is know a new person. we know how he moderates debates. the commission is made of republicans and democrats, they picked jim lehrer, he asked non-confrontational, non-gotcha questions. believe me, if the president had snappy responses and brought up bain capital and 47% and the things that made the democrats happy, they would not be complaining about jim lehrer today. >> they want to have a scapegoat. they want to blame something for president obama's debate performance. jim lehrer happens to be it. i think he did almost as good a job as i think one could do. the job of the moderator is to make sure that the candidates engage one another and engage with substance. when that's happening, you need to melt into the background -- i >> greta: stay invisible. >> that's exactly what he dirks as long as the issues are being discussed, you are invisible and you try to give equal time. president obama got 4 more minutes of talk time than governor romne